Lisa Fischer was created to communicate. From an early age at a pre-school in Roselle Park, NJ, to being suspended twice from her high school in southeast Arkansas for various talking infractions, she has always been known for her gift of gab. Obviously, a career where she can talk all day was the right choice.
As she started college at the University of Arkansas, she began to realize that her journalism degree could help her use even more words! She graduated with a journalism/public relations/advertising degree, and her goal was to chat it up, whether on TV, radio or in print.
She is now in her 37th year as a journalist in Arkansas, and you may know her voice from the radio station B98.5, where she spent 2006-2018 as a morning radio host. Before that, she worked as a host\reporter for KARK 4. Now, Lisa workes for herself as the host of the Lisa Fischer Said podcast.
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[00:00:09] GM: Welcome to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. Through storytelling and conversational interviews, this weekly biography show and podcast offers listeners an insider’s view into the commonalities of successful people and the ups and downs of risk taking. Connect with Kerry through her candid, funny, informative, and always encouraging weekly blog. Now, it’s time for Kerry McCoy to get all up in your business.
[INTERVIEW]
[00:00:35] KM: Thank you, son, Gray. My guest today embraces her gift of gab on her cleverly named website, lisafischersaid.com. On her About Us page, she even boasts of being suspended twice in high school for talking too much. This gift afforded Lisa the high school label, most talkative. She later parlayed this gift into a long running career as a media personality on TV, radio, and now a podcast.
While attending college at the University of Arkansas, Lisa found a place for her voice as acting spokesperson for her sorority and emcee for Razorback pep rallies. After college, at the mere age of 23, she landed a job as an afternoon talk show host on an AM radio station. With a face and I smiled to be seen, she picked up part time TV reporting and hasn't stopped working, growing and learning since. With a career in marriage that started in the 1980s, Lisa has been seen and heard for decades. She likes to call herself the queen of Arkansas media.
But what you don't know about this woman, that looks like a picture of health is that behind the scenes, she suffers. Yes, she suffers from a litany of health problems. Like everything in her life, she has used this drive to motivate herself into becoming a certified integrative nutritional health coach. Today, Lisa has blended her broadcasting chops into helping others on her podcast, Lisa Fischer Said, where she interviews other health experts and shares lifestyle tips about her newfound wellness experience. It is my great pleasure to welcome to the table, the TV pitchman, journalist, author, future podcast and YouTube sensation and certified Integrative Nutrition health coach Miss Lisa Fischer.
[00:02:32] LF: And I thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you for having me.
[00:02:35] KM: You're welcome. So, I was shocked to hear that you had chronic health problems. You look like a picture of health. And I'm not just saying that because you’re pretty.
[00:02:44] LF: Thank you.
[00:02:45] KM: You look like a picture of health. So, tell our listeners about some of this stuff.
[00:02:50] LF: Well, first I need to go back kind of to my history. A lot – have you read the book, The Body Keeps the Score. Everyone needs to read the book. The Body Keeps the Score.
[00:02:58] KM: No, where's my pen? Somebody? I need a pen to write this down.
[00:03:01] LF: It'll be in your show notes as we discussed earlier.
[00:03:03] GM: That’s correct.
[00:03:05] LF: We'll put this in the show notes. In The Body Keeps the Score, Kerry, we understand that the body doesn't forget and I grew up in a very tumultuous household. My biological family, my beautiful red-haired mother who was the first Miss Jr. New Orleans who was the cousin of Van Cliburn. She was a redhead.
[00:03:23] KM: That's why you're so pretty. You had a beautiful mother.
[00:03:25] LF: Thank you. I had a beautiful mother and a very handsome father who ran around with Rodney Dangerfield in the ‘50s and ‘60s.
[00:03:30] KM: That can't be good.
[00:03:31] LF: I know. A mess, right? So, a lot of addiction in my family. My mother and I moved from Newark, New Jersey to New Orleans when I was a little over 10, and a lot of drug use, a lot of physical abuse. I was sexually abused at a young age and those things the body keeps the score and sometimes we see that those people have high ACE scores at first childhood experiences.
So, I have a high ASE score, and that kind of set me up for a lot of health issues. But I've reversed all of them but one and this is the vitiligo. I still have vitiligo, that I'm now reversing through the carnivore diet which we can talk about.
[00:04:12] KM: Tell people what vitiligo is. You showed me –
[00:04:14] LF: Vitiligo is what Michael Jackson said he had. It was the white splotches, but it's not your whole face is done. He probably had something to enhance that. But I have white splotches all over me, my face, arms.
[00:04:24] KM: It's kind of pretty in a weird way.
[00:04:26] LF: Well, you say that. No, but when you want to wear shorts, people ask if you've been burned. It's not the most attractive. So, with that I've had to work really hard to reverse what nature may have set up for me, meaning my environment, my circumstances, probably the food choices I made for years, and I reversed it. So, I've reversed all those conditions through an intermittent fasting lifestyle, the way I eat. I have a very healthy marriage. Those things contribute to who we are now. It's our relationships. A belief in a higher power. It's community with really good people. It's a fulfilling life. It's the food that's on our fork, and what I think, I know, from science, it's the amount of hours in the day that you're releasing insulin, and we can talk about that in a minute.
[00:05:17] KM: ACT. Say what that meant again.
[00:05:19] LF: It’s ACE, adverse childhood experiences. That high ACE score. Mine was like, seven or eight.
[00:05:28] KM: It’s 1 to 10?
[00:05:28] LF: 10, yeah. So, people with higher ACE scores have earlier death, have higher –
[00:05:34] KM: Probably addiction problems.
[00:05:36] LF: For sure. addiction problems. I mean, on and on and on, but definitely more health problems.
[00:05:43] KM: Because you internalize it.
[00:05:43] LF: That's right. That's right.
[00:05:44] KM: When did they first start deciding that that was part of people's health problem?
[00:05:48] LF: I think in the last 10 years, people in that field may have said it was earlier but that's why The Body Keeps the Score kind of addresses that now. Community health members, especially with children are seeing that children raised in poverty, raised in addiction –
[00:06:02] KM: Foster homes.
[00:06:03] LF: Foster homes, abuse, anything that's unstable. They often have a high ACE score. Or if a parent is in prison, you have a higher a score. If you have a definitely, addiction, abuse, those kinds of things.
[00:06:13] KM: So, do you have addiction problems? Did you have to struggle with that?
[00:06:15] LF: Never. Not a thing.
[00:06:16] KM: Seems like a child either goes one way or the other. You probably don't even drink a drop, do you?
[00:06:21] LF: I might. Darren’s here. Maybe once a month, and I don't even care. I talk too much. That's my addiction, is talking too much.
[00:06:29] KM: No. That’s a good thing. Lisa said, that's a good thing.
[00:06:32] LF: Thank you, thank you. But I've not battled that, but every biological member of my family, even the people who adopted me. So, my mother overdosed –
[00:06:40] KM: Adopted you?
[00:06:42] LF: Yes. My mother overdosed when I was 12 in New Orleans, and the Gibsons in Dermott had to take me in for a few days.
[00:06:49] KM: How old were you?
[00:06:49] LF: Twelve. 1975. Because I'm 60. I turned 60, recently. I hate telling it, but I mean, do the math.
[00:06:56] KM: I'm proud of it.
[00:06:57] LF: Thank you. So, the Gibson family adopted me. I changed my name. I had a Jewish name. I was raised in a Jewish home. I was Lisa Kaplan. And so, the Gibson – I was Lisa Kaplan Gibson for a while, when I was growing up, but it sounded like, I would say Lisa K. Gibson. They thought K was my middle name. So then, when I was in TV and radio, in the beginning I was just Lisa Gibson and then I got married when I was 25 in 1988. So, I was Lisa Fischer. My son's name is Gibson Fischer. So, I named my children after.
[00:07:24] KM: So, what's your given name?
[00:07:28] LF: My given name was Lisa N. Kaplan. K-A-P-L-A-N.
[00:07:29] KM: And then you became Gibson.
[00:07:31] LF: I became Gibson.
[00:07:32] LM: Now, you're a Fischer.
[00:07:33] LF: Right. Only one marriage but a lot of last names.
[00:07:36] KM: How long did you live with the adoptive family?
[00:07:38] LF: They adopted me when I was 12. And so, I went to college at 18 and –
[00:07:42] KM: Stayed with them the whole time.
[00:07:42] LF: Yeah. They adopted me right after. I mean, it was a tough decision for them. My biological father was still alive, but because of his addiction issues, he could have never raised me. So, both my mother and father were both addicts. His was more alcoholism.
[00:07:55] KM: Did your mother die from the overdose?
[00:07:56] LF: Yes, she died from the overdose. She was a redhead and redheads are more sensitive to chemicals and things. And she was drinking wine and taking, back in the ‘70s, they used to give Darvon for a painkiller. They don't anymore.
[00:08:09] KM: Yeah. Darvocet, Darvon.
[00:08:11] LF: Yeah. It's in that same family, I believe. So, with that, she overdosed. She either had an anaphylactic reaction or took – drunks are sloppy. They don't know how much they've been drinking. They run to the medicine cabinet. “Oh, I have a headache.” My mother did have a broken toe. She took the pill. I don't want to be insensitive. We say, “She woke up dead.” Meaning, the decisions you make can affect you so immediately, and affects all the other people around you.
[00:08:40] KM: Do you have any brothers and sisters?
[00:08:41] LF: I have a brother who is 16 years older, who is still in New York City. So, I was – we’re 16 years apart. My mother had four or five miscarriages before she had me. She had me at 36 which was – 36 or 37, which was old then. Now, it's not. And so, Lisa in Hebrew, meant God's gift. So, I was the apple of her eye. They divorced when I was very young because of his addiction. And then my brother, only biological family member I have, moved from the city. Because I was in Newark, he was in New York City, moved out west. And he died about 10 years ago and I only found it through an ancestry.com link.
[00:09:21] KM: So, you all didn’t stay connected?
[00:09:23] LF: No. We were 16 years apart. So, when my mother died, I did call him and he was 28. I can't do math. Everyone knows I can't do math. I was 12, 16 years old, what is that? 28?
[00:09:33] GM: Yeah.
[00:09:33] LF: So, he was 28, he was in New York City. I mean, he couldn't take care of me. My biological father couldn't, so the Gibsons and Dermott just said, “Well, just come down here.”
[00:09:42] KM: Was he angry at your mother?
[00:09:43] LF: Not at all. Actually, he – so, I became a Christian in college. He actually became a Christian in probably the ‘70s in New York, and that was during the Jesus movement. So, we all thought he was a Jesus freak. We didn't have anything to do with him, really. He was like a weirdo. But see, I still embrace my Jewishness. I love the Jewish people so much. I got an ancestry.com update yesterday about my – I'm 50% Ashkenazi Jew. So, I love the Jewish people so much.
[00:10:11] KM: But you became a Christian now?
[00:10:13] LF: That's right. I'm like, in that Jesus was a Jew who believed in himself. I still have a lot of Jewish tendencies and love for the Jewish people. But I believe Jesus is the Messiah.
[00:10:25] KM: Did your dad – I guess your dad has passed.
[00:10:28] LF: He passed about 10 years ago. Actually –
[00:10:32] KM: He had a long time.
[00:10:33] LF: Well, we think he had. So, Ashkenazi Jews have the Methuselah gene.
[00:10:37] GM: Right. They live a long time.
[00:10:39] LF: They smoked and drank, didn't have a tooth in his head. Still worked out every day. Still went to the gym. Then Jews often trek down to try to get to Florida. He stopped in Atlanta. So, a lot of Jews are in Atlanta. I saw him about 16 years ago, on my way to New York to meet. I have half a half-sister in Manhattan, who had a red-haired mother, a different red-haired mother.
[00:11:01] KM: Oh, he has a type.
[00:11:04] LF: Mm-hmm. So, we looked a lot like. He had an affair with her mother for her birth. We were about a year apart. She's in advertising in New York City.
[00:11:12] KM: What?
[00:11:12] LF: Very similar. Isn’t that funny how DNA is?
[00:11:14] KM: It really is.
[00:11:15] LF: I know. So, he did live to, I think, it was about ’89. His father lived to like ’94, smoked and drank. They were all alcoholics and they all had type two diabetes, because what alcoholism can finally do, it pickles your pancreas. It damages your organs. And you have glycation, which is something we all want to avoid in what we do every day. It's in aging. It promotes aging. And so, it ages, it pickles your organs. So, he and his brother, and my father and his brother, and his father, and his great grandfather all had type two diabetes for being alcoholics. Isn’t that something?
[00:11:54] KM: Wow. That's a lot in five minutes.
[00:11:56] LF: I know. Girl, I've got more. I'll take a breath. I swear. Gary knows. I'll take a breath in a minute.
[00:12:01] KM: Talk about your inherited or ACE symptoms that came from having this turmoiled childhood? You had thyroid problems, Hashimoto’s, swallowing, autoimmune. I guess, irritable bowel? I don’t know.
[00:12:18] LF: Yes. So, it started kind of in the GI department, which a lot of people do just stomach ache. When I was young stomachache. That's living in anxiety and in trauma. A trauma response is often stomachache. So, had the stomachache, even with my mother, my biological mother, whom I felt so safe with. But it was unpredictable when you have an alcoholic at home and you're the only child, it’s so unpredictable. You don't know if you're going to come home and she's going to be drunk, or she's going to be dead or she's going to have a man there.
[00:12:48] KM: Who did find her?
[00:12:49] LF: My cousin and I came home from school. My cousin had been ringing the doorbell saying, “Your mother's not answering.” Well, because I had to be the mother when my mother was incapable. So, I had to close – my mother had broken her toe. I'd closed her bedroom door and unplugged the phone like an adult member. We used to have to unplug our phones, our landline.
[00:13:08] KM: So they wouldn't ring.
[00:13:08] LF: So they wouldn't ring. And I did something else. I turned maybe the fan on higher, so she would sleep better, because that's what I had to do –
[00:13:15] KM: What an adult.
[00:13:16] LF: – because I was the parent. I made my lunch that morning. I saw her in bed. She was probably already passed that morning, we think at 5 AM. I let myself out, latchkey kid, went to school in Gretna, which is a suburb of New Orleans on the West Bank. And my cousin I found her that day.
[00:13:32] KM: Were you born in New York?
[00:13:34] LF: I was born in Newark, New Jersey, right across the river.
[00:13:38] KM: Right. So, you came and you found her and you got to live with the Jewish family.
[00:13:47] LF: Well, no, no the Jewish family. The Gibsons were Gentiles. My mother died on a Tuesday. And by Friday I was in Arkansas, a state I'd never really heard of, definitely to a city.
[00:13:58] KM: Why Arkansas?
[00:13:58] LF: Because that's where the Gibsons live. My cousins live there. And that's who came and fetch me. That's why they said, “Come here and stay with us for a few days.” And I never left. So, they adopted me. So, they were in Dermott, Arkansas. The Gibson family, they were prolific in the legislature and they were lawyers. A lot of people remember Senator Matt Gibson, Senator Jack Gibson. Byron Gibson was head of the Democratic Party. My father, the man who adopted me was Charles Sidney Gibson. His brother was John Frank Gibson, who is the prosecuting attorney. My brother Chuck Gibson is a lawyer.
[00:14:26] KM: So, where did the Jewish part come in?
[00:14:27] LF: My biological family. Frank Kaplan. My roots, my actual biological –
[00:14:30] KM: Okay. Well, she talks fast. I'm fine.
[00:14:34] LF: It's my New Jersey Jew comes out.
[00:14:36] GM: That’s right.
[00:14:38] KM: Man, you are. That’s good. I like it. So, we're back to your health problems, thyroid, Hashimoto, what is that?
[00:14:44] LF: Hashimoto’s is the most common thyroid disease. Most people with a dysfunctional thyroid often have the autoimmune condition with it. So, it just means your thyroid is attacking itself.
[00:14:54] KM: When did you find that out?
[00:14:56] LF: That was about 20 years ago, and I'd been saying something was wrong for a few years, but because I am energetic, and I use my hands, and I'm still funny, even when I don't feel well. That when I would talk to a doctor, they would say, “Well, I think you're depressed. I think your thyroid is fine, because the test they did is not the test that I recommend.”
[00:15:14] KM: What test is that?
[00:15:15] LF: The test they would give you is the thyroid stimulating hormone, which if you think, if you're constipated, cold, your hair falls out, your nails split, you lose the outer third of your eyebrows, you lose so much hair, your libido is low, you do have depression symptoms, you will have constipation, and all those symptoms and they said, “Well, you're depressed.” And my husband would say, “You're not depressed. But you're the most tired human I've ever known.” I took three naps a day. I was homeschooling my children. I would –
[00:15:42] KM: Yeah, that's a whole another crazy story, but go ahead.
[00:15:44] LF: That’s a whole another crazy story. I did it for 15 years. So, I would get up, I would get them started. I would take a nap. I would do something else. I would take a nap. His mother had stage four cancer and he said she had more energy than I did. So, I would tell doctors that, and they'd say, “Well, that TSH test, which is not the comprehensive test, now we know. You need T3, T4, TSH, complete thyroid, your thyroid antibodies, complete thyroid panel. But with that, took four years to get diagnosed that finally when the one doctor went to an endocrinologist, which I don't really recommend, I liked functional medicine doctors better. But went to a functional medicine doctor who palpated my thyroid, and then I said I have vitiligo, and he said, “You have the Hashimoto’s. Thyroiditis.”
[00:16:25] KM: Oh, is that part of it?
[00:16:27] LF: Often. Often people with –
[00:16:30] KM: How does a functional medicine figure that out? And what's the specialist?
[00:16:35] GM: Endocrinologist.
[00:16:35] LM: Yeah, and not. That's what he's supposed to do?
[00:16:38] LF: So, endocrinologists are kind of the accountants of the medical field. They look at teeny, tiny numbers. And if your number doesn't fit in there, oh, well, it must be something else. So, the journalist in me, that's one characteristic of a journalist is we're the ones that dig deep and ask why. How do we get here?
[00:16:55] KM: Curious.
[00:16:55] LF: Yes. Curious. Extremely curious. I'm extremely nosy. So, I was always the girl in the front row of even college classes going, “I've got a question.” I know it everybody. But with that, you know what?
[00:17:08] KM: I remember that girl.
[00:17:10] LF: Right. She was so annoying. So, with that, that's the person who finds out what's wrong. I didn't take that. When that doctor finally said you do have an enlarged goiter. That means –
[00:17:23] KM: So, nobody could that if it's enlarged?
[00:17:25] LF: I've seen pictures. And I was like, “Where were you all looking at, my feet?” I mean, I don't know.
[00:17:32] KM: That's that thing about you got to advocate for yourself.
[00:17:33] LF: Fight, kick, scream, go back. Say it again. Say it again. I tell people all the time.
[00:17:39] KM: Change doctors.
[00:17:42] LF: And I did. I fired a lot of doctors along the way. Because I started doing the research. My husband said I would read my thyroid books like a murder mystery. I would turn the page and go, “Oh, my gosh. Did you see this?” And he'd go, “Lisa, it's a thyroid book.”
[00:17:58] KM: Okay, what about the swallowing issue?
[00:18:00] LF: So, that's a very rare condition that anyone listening, even family practice docs won't know much about it. But the GI docs will. It's called Achalasia or some Achalasia depending on what continent your doctors. My sweet Indian doctor would say, “Your Achalasia.” But my American doctors called it, “Achalasia.”
[00:18:18] KM: Achalasia.
[00:18:19] LF: Right. So, it's a rare swallowing disorder where the lower esophageal sphincter. We're going to go into a little anatomy. So, when you chew, you swallow, you have –
[00:18:27] KM: It gets stuck right here? Lisa, you and I are so much alike. I have that.
[00:18:34] GM: That’s weird. It’s weirding me out.
[00:18:36] KM: Except, I didn’t have any kind of traumatic –
[00:18:38] GM: Yeah, to a lesser extent, perhaps.
[00:18:40] KM: No. My parents knows the best. But physically, we are.
[00:18:44] LF: But it doesn't have to just – that's the thing about adverse childhood experiences is one thing. But if you have any trauma, maybe running a business, or if you lose a spouse at a young age or a child.
[00:18:55] KM: With an alcoholic.
[00:18:56] LF: Or you live with an alcoholic.
[00:18:57] KM: For 32 years.
[00:18:58] LF: So much unpredictability, as you know, with alcoholism. So, that could spawn some health issues, because the way we stuff things. So, this rare swallowing disorder, she's raising her hand, like we can't see her. She's so cute. This rare swallowing disorder. I'm the first case that he's ever seen reversed.
[00:19:17] KM: You're the first of a lot of stuff.
[00:19:19] LF: I know.
[00:19:20] KM: Even that makes you happy.
[00:19:22] LF: Well, it just shows that – what it shows me, Kerry, is that your health, the name of your health condition does not define you. Even your cancer. I'm sitting with someone who no longer has cancer.
[00:19:35] KM: Yeah, Darren over there.
[00:19:35] LF: Darren. And he takes such good care of himself. Does he still have to have scans? Does he still have to look at what his bloodwork is doing? Absolutely. But he is working hard every day. So, I want to encourage people that you are not that diagnosis. And in many cases, you can reverse them. 90% of the common diseases right now are from metabolic disorder.
[00:19:57] KM: What's that mean?
[00:19:58] LF: That means, if you are not metabolically fit, you can be thin and still be metabolically unfit. So, it's called TOFI. Thin on the outside, fat on the inside. You could have visceral organ fat. You could still have high fasting insulin. You could have high blood pressure. You could have cholesterol panels, kind of still, there's a little bit of an argument about the cholesterol panel. But there are other things you can look at to see if you are metabolically fit. I'm in the 12% of people who are metabolically fit. I say that –
[00:20:31] KM: 12% of people?
[00:20:31] LF: 88% of the people are metabolically unfit.
[00:20:35] KM: 88% of us are unhealthy?
[00:20:36] LF: Metabolically unfit.
[00:20:38] KM: Is that not the same word for unhealthy on the inside?
[00:20:40] LF: Well, it is. But wait a minute, wait a minute. We get criticized because then we say we're fat shaming. I'm not fat shaming you. You can be thin and be metabolically unfit. But if you are overweight, that shows you have glycation and inflammation, and you have some of the markers of being metabolically unfit. I know that.
[00:20:58] KM: Metabolically unfit, and that's just – I like that.
[00:21:03] LF: That's what doctors are now measuring.
[00:21:04] KM: So, what? Everybody has irritable bowel, leaky gut, gas, whatever it is? Everybody has. It's all I see on TV, all the time is Viagra and irritable bowel.
[00:21:18] LF: That’s right. Viagra is another story. Viagra, your complications with erectile dysfunction could be because you're metabolically unfit and you have high fasting insulin and you are insulin resistant. It causes erectile dysfunction. But no one tells you. The Amy Beards of the world do. Amy Beard say, “Well, let's go back and say”, because Amy's a friend of mine. “Let's go back and find out why are you sick? Or why do you have this condition?”
So, I went back and that's what I did with mine and I reversed some things. I changed my diet. A lot of Hashimoto’s patients stay off dairy, gluten, soy, eggs. I can tolerate eggs and dairy, but I have no wheat. I try to have no wheat in my diet and no soy in my diet. So, you do have to work hard and here's the deal. I don't want to take a pill for an ill. I don't want to take anything. I do you have to take thyroid hormone replacement. That's not a pill. It's replacing the hormone I make, and I do take bioidentical hormone replacement therapy because I'm 100 years old. And when you’re over 40 –
[00:22:17] KM: Except you just turned 60.
[00:22:18] LF: That’s right. Except I just turned 60.
[00:22:21] KM: I think this is a great place to take a break. When we come back. We'll continue our conversation with Miss Lisa Fischer, the queen of Arkansas media. Today, she has blended her past public career with her new one as the certified integrative functional nutrition coach. On her podcast, Lisa Fischer said she interviews health experts and shares their combined knowledge experience and solutions for chronic lifestyle diseases. Still to come, identifying and navigating the 21st century health concerns that we've already been talking about a little bit. Free integrative nutritional tips and the business of podcasting. It takes commitment. It's harder than you think. We'll be right back.
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[00:22:57] GM: You're listening to Up In Your Business with Kerry McCoy. A production of FlagandBanner.com. Over 40 years ago with only $400, Kerry founded Arkansas Flag and Banner. During the last four decades, the business has grown and changed, along with Kerry's experience and leadership knowledge. In 1995. She embraced the Internet and rebranded her company as simply FlagandBanner.com. In 2004, she became an early blogger. Since then, she has founded the nonprofit Friends of Dreamland Ballroom, began publishing her magazine, Brave. And in 2016, branched out into this very radio show, YouTube channel and podcast.
In 2020, Kerry McCoy Enterprises acquired OurCornerMarket.com, an online company specializing in American made plaques, signage and memorials for over 20 years. And in 2021, opened a satellite office in Miami, Florida, telling American made stories, selling American made flags, the FlagandBanner.com. Back to you Kerry.
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[00:23:56] KM: You're listening to Up In Your Business with me, Kerry McCoy. I'm speaking today with Miss Lisa Fischer, who you've seen and heard from for years as a radio personality and a TV pitchman. Today, she is a certified integrative nutritional health coach sharing her newfound knowledge on Lisa Fischer Said podcast and website. So, before the break, we talked briefly about you homeschooling your kids. And before we move on to all this healthy stuff, I just got to figure out why in the heck anybody would want to do that.
[00:24:25] LF: Let me tell you, because I wanted to be the primary influence in my kid's life when they were little.
[00:24:31] KM: You like school, don't you?
[00:24:32] LF: I like learning you. My kids are smarter than I am. So, we did get to a point where my son, one son, one child is an engineer. By first grade, he knew what a parallelogram was. That's what he would call it.
[00:24:47] KM: I don't even know what that is. What is that?
[00:24:49] LF: It's a shape of something. I don't know. And if math is involved, I really don't know. But I like learning and I wanted my kids to see this is what it takes to have a healthy marriage because my husband is in medical sale. So, he's in and out. We could travel. I like that we could sit on the sofa and do things together. I was still doing some radio on TV for people when – I thought I'd retired and I didn't. But I would still, if I had to shoot someplace, we'd pack up. We all went to the casino in Mississippi one time. It was fun to do stuff together. I'm glad that's behind me.
[00:25:25] KM: So, let's talk about what you do now. What is a functional practitioner? Is that what you are?
[00:25:31] LF: I'm a functional medicine or integrative nutritional health coach.
[00:25:37] KM: So, I saw you didn't put the word medical in there. You said certified integrative nutrition health coach. The omission of the word medicine.
[00:25:44] LF: That's right, because I have not had any medical training and I make it clear. My attorney wanted me to tell you that this is not medical advice. Any advice I give you, but people meet with me to say, “What can I do to maybe help me wean off my Metformin? Help me fit into my high school jeans again.” And I don't talk about dieting. Dieting hasn't helped us. We're the fattest we've ever been as a country. If 88% are metabolically unfit, a lot of those people are overweight. So, I help you figure out what is it that is derailing you. Is it the fact that you're eating seed oils? Everyone, get rid of the seed oils. Go in your cupboard right now, throw away the peanut oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil. They're industrialized seed oils, and they're killing us. They promote glycation as well. We talked about glycation.
[00:26:33] KM: What? Everybody talks about grapeseed oil.
[00:26:36] LF: Bad, bad, bad, bad. You know what you need?
[00:26:38] KM: There’s so much alternate effects.
[00:26:40] LF: Well, this is what I want you to do. Follow the money. Who's telling you to eat the grapeseed oil? So, the American Heart Association has been bought and paid for by the canola oil producers. So, guess what they say? Canola oil is healthy. Everyone in the health space, Amy Beard, Mark Hyman, Max Lugavere, Ben Bikman, Jason Fung. All these people that I revere all say, throw it out. This is what I say. If God made it, eat it. I have pork lard, probably every day.
[00:27:10] KM: Me too. I eat lard. So, it was the only thing that agreed with me. Everybody thought it was nuts.
[00:27:13] LF: No, because it's what your body needs. I eat beef tallow if you can find it. It's hard. Coconut oil is fine. Avocado oil can withstand high heat.
[00:27:23] KM: But it's processed.
[00:27:26] LF: Well, but people are saying it's not in industrialized seed oil. So, there's some and I don't know where we split hairs on that. I don't want to, because I don't want to get that deep. I just know, I've thrown away all the other stuff. I really don't eat out in many restaurants. And if I do, Darren and I are going to lunch, I will ask to cook my food and olive oil or butter. And you tell them this is what you do. You say, “I have an allergy.” And they think you're going to need an epi pen. The kitchen comes forward and says, “Ma'am, what can we do?” And I say, “No, canola oil. Just butter and olive oil.” And they say, “Yes, ma'am.”
[00:28:00] KM: So, my parents ate margarine because that's what they were told. And they both had heart disease in their ‘70s.
[00:28:09] LF: Thank you. That's the point.
[00:28:09] KM: I eat lard and butter and I don't have any heart disease.
[00:28:14] LF: I have bacon every day.
[00:28:14] KM: And I’m almost 70.
[00:28:16] LF: Well, you're beautiful. He hasn't told you lately?
[00:28:20] GM: No, she just know all the right things to say.
[00:28:20] KM: She's a performer. She does have her good hair today.
[00:28:28] LF: Think about your grandparents or great grandparents who are on the farm.
[00:28:32] KM: Yeah. Yeah, that’s exactly what I think.
[00:28:34] LF: My husband's grandmother. She smoked even, but she had pork lard every day and she lived to 94. She had bacon every day, lived to 94.
[00:28:42] KM: Well, you can process it. It just kind of goes through me. I mean, I don't mean like literally, but I mean it's not like it's sitting around. It's like not heavy on me.
[00:28:51] LF: Yes. Because sometimes people will push back and say well, “You know processed foods? Do you eat the cow from the backyard?” I go, “Of course not.” He goes to the butcher, but I do get my cattle, my cows from as many local farmers as I can find, that helps your local community. It helps the businesses here that we want to help, and it's best for your immune system. You want to eat the cows that graze on something that helps your microbiome, because they may be out in Perry County or they may be up in Morrilton, my guy – McNeal Farms is in Morrilton.
[00:29:27] KM: Lisa, you should be a doctor, because you could memorize all those words. The whole time I'm listening to your podcast, I am writing down vocabulary words and having to go look them up and you are talking to doctors and nurse practitioners all the time. And you all are talking those same big five syllable words. What's the difference between a nurse practitioner and a doctor?
[00:29:50] LF: That's great. A nurse practitioner does not go to medical school. He or she goes through nursing school and it's almost like her doctorate. I mean, someone may say, “Well, there's a Doctor of Nursing.” Here, she can write prescriptions, except in Arkansas cannot write controlled prescriptions. So, couldn't probably do a painkiller.
My son was a physician assistant, which is pretty close to a physician. And so, he can write controlled prescriptions. He could write painkillers because he's an ortho. The thing is, as we know, medical schools are also bought and paid for by big pharma and drug companies.
[00:30:22] KM: Drug companies.
[00:30:22] LF: Right. So, with that, you're hearing what they learned. And Amy Beard will say, doctors are great at the math and science of writing the prescription, but they don't teach him anymore to go, “Let's figure out why you’re sick.”
[00:30:34] KM: Let's go find out what their ACE score is.
[00:30:38] LF: Find out what they’re eating. What their relationships are like. Are you getting sunlight? You need to be getting sunlight every day.
[00:30:44] KM: I heard you say you sit outside twice a day.
[00:30:46] LF: Yes, I get up in the morning and I get something to tell my brain to make morning cortisol. I have a lot of energy, to make my morning cortisol that gives me energy and it also sets my melatonin for 16 hours later, so about 10 PM at night. And then as the sun sets today, the rays are different in the sunset as they are in the sunrise. So, as the sun sets, I will try to get – I just go out there, look, try to get it in my retinas. Tell my brain –
[00:31:11] KM: How long? 15 minutes, five minutes?
[00:31:13] LF: In the morning and evening. I mean, I would say, Andrew Huberman from the Huberman Lab does like 15 or 20 minutes in the morning. That's hard for a lot of people to do. So, if you can just set the signals for your body to make the morning cortisol and the evening melatonin, go out there for three or five minutes. Walk the dog, have your coffee.
[00:31:33] KM: 16-hour space is what you want to do. So, if you want to go to bed at 10, you need to sit outside in the morning 16 hours before that.
[00:31:38] LF: Yeah, about 8.
[00:31:39] KM: And do you have to expose your skin? Or is it all about your eyes?
[00:31:43] LF: That’s retinas in the morning and evening, but then I try to increase my vitamin D because what did we tell people during COVID? If you have vitamin D, high vitamin D, you're not going to have a problem with COVID. So, your vitamin D, most people's vitamin D, except for redheads have higher vitamin D. But most people, non-redheads in the West, their vitamin D is like 25 to 35 which is almost deadly. So, mine is 55. But I work hard. It's like a job for me. I go outside and I make sure that I have no sunscreen on for 20 minutes.
[00:32:16] KM: Do you believe in sunscreen?
[00:32:17] LF: I do not use it anymore because the way – well, most of them were taken from the market because what? They cause cancer.
[00:32:24] KM: I know.
[00:32:25] LF: So, you know what, if I get a brown spot, I got Dr. Bruce Sanderson down here, 664-5119 and he’ll zap –
[00:32:32] KM: On speed dial.
[00:32:32] LF: Yes. He’ll zap a brown spot, if I get a brown spot.
[00:32:35] KM: So, you don't do – is there any kind of sunscreen that's not cancerous?
[00:32:38] LF: Yes, there are. There are mineral based ones now. But I just don't use them. Because if you have a sunscreen on, then you're not getting vitamin D. If I worked out in the outside, then I would think about it because yes, you can get skin cancer if you are out there and redhead –
[00:32:55] GM: Overexposure.
[00:32:56] LF: That's right. Redheads are more susceptible to that because we don't want anyone sun burning. But you and I in our coloring, we can actually tolerate. That's my Russian Jewish DNA.
[00:33:07] KM: Are you now real pale or are you olive?
[00:33:08] LF: I’m actually very olive.
[00:33:09] KM: Oh, see I'm real pale. So, I actually have a more tendency to have skin cancer than him because of my dark hair and light skin. You just look like because you've got –
[00:33:19] LF: Because of the vitiligo. That's right. But when I was a teenager, I had a tan because I was outside all the time. I had a tan.
[00:33:25] KM: So, on your podcast, you cover a wide range of medical solutions for what many of our guest, or for what many of your guest call chronic lifestyle diseases. I love that new term, kind of like I love the term you did earlier about metabolical –
[00:33:41] LF: Metabolic syndrome or metabolic disorders and stuff.
[00:33:44] KM: Yeah, metabolic disorder is going to be my new catchphrase along with chronic lifestyle diseases. So, let's go over some solutions and some stuff you do. I think this is one of your favorites that you started in 2017 and it's intermittent fasting, fast versus feast. How do people start? Why did you start?
[00:34:05] LF: My son, my engineer son came home from school and he was an engineering student at LSU. But he also played intramural sports. And a lot of the intramural guys were doing this intermittent fasting to get cut. And we were about to go the Olympics in 2018, Rio and a lot of the Olympians were doing this intermittent fasting, which everyone thinks, where you're starving yourself. And Gibson, my son Gibson, he came in and said, “No, it's not about starving yourself. It's actually, you're either in the fasted state or the fed state.” He started explaining some of the things of autophagy, which is a magical cellular clean out.
But when he came and sat down and told me about it, I said, if you're telling me this because you think your mother needs to lose weight, you won't see your 21st birthday, because he was 20. He said, “No, I'm telling you because you like all things health.” Because I've always had been a health student. I said, “Tot, tot, sit down. Tell me more.” And he just said it was the day after Thanksgiving in 2017. He said it was 6:30. He goes, “Well, don’t eat again till tomorrow 12:30.” And I said, “Well, what do you mean?” He said, “Well drink water, black coffee, unsweetened tea, sparkling water, still water.” “What about my stevia?” “Nope, it stops the fasting process.”
And once you start understanding that your weight issues are not about calories, it's about how much insulin you're regulating. So, your brain has – your hypothalamus, which is kind of your endocrine epicenter, and it tells your body to either burn fat or burn fuel. So, right now, I haven't eaten since four o'clock yesterday. It's been almost 20 hours since I've eaten. Do I have energy? Am I –
[00:35:36] KM: Yeah.
[00:35:38] LF: I did a five-day fast last summer because my GI doc thought he saw precancerous adenoma in my colon. It was not. But I did that to thwart off any cancer cells.
[00:35:48] KM: It might be trying to grow.
[00:35:49] LF: That was trying to grow. But it wasn't. But all that to say, I did it. I didn't love it. I don't – and again, this is not medical advice. I'm telling what I have to do to mitigate my health concerns. Again, generations of type two diabetes in my family. So, Gibson was explaining that once insulin is released, you're in fat storing. So even if you drink that Diet Coke with how many calories?
[00:36:12] KM: Zero.
[00:36:13] LF: But it has flavor. So, your body has to send out insulin to assure glucose to the cells. The minute it does that, you're in fat storing mode. So, I reduced my fat storing mode hours to about four to six hours a day.
[00:36:28] KM: That's all you eat a day? Four to six hours?
[00:36:31] LF: Yeah, but girl, I eat well, because I'm a carnivore.
[00:36:35] KM: Darren’s nodding.
[00:36:36] LF: Yes, I do. I'm meat based in what I eat. And so yesterday, the last time I ate, yesterday at lunch, I had a ribeye steak at lunch and two eggs. And then that was like at noon and about four o'clock, I had some bone broth because it has a lot of fat and all the wonderful things for your skin. I wanted to have that and I had some eggs and a little chicken for the protein. And then I was done. I'm not on a diet. I'm the same size I was in my 20s. I don't have a fat stomach. And I'm not criticizing anyone who does. But if you do, if you look down and you have a stomach, it's a hormonal imbalance and not just your sex hormones. Its insulin regulation. It's ghrelin, it’s leptin, it's peptide YY.
So, you are hormonally wired to eat and to stop eating. My hormonal wiring hasn't even told me to eat yet. I'm really not even hungry yet. I could go 24 – I eat when my signal tells me and then I stop, so many times during the middle of the meal stop and go, “Can't eat anymore.” Because my hormonal wiring is like a red light and I can't eat any more. So, I eat well in that time. Do I drink –if I drank alcohol, I would do it in that time. If I ate desserts, I would do it in that time. I just don't – I get full so easily and I'm trying –
[00:37:53] KM: Do you to eat desserts?
[00:37:55] LF: I did last week. They had a little surprise party for me. And so, I had the delicious cake from D’s delicious desserts. Whatever that is.
[00:38:02] KM: Gluten free?
[00:38:02] LF: That was not, and that did have wheat in it. Sometimes if I really have a hankering, I'll go to Dempsey and get something. But I eat it within my feasting hours.
[00:38:12] KM: You mean, if I start feasting like or fasting like this, you think I could go back to eating gluten?
[00:38:18] LF: Probably not. Gluten is so inflammatory.
[00:38:21] KM: It kills me. I miss pasta.
[00:38:24] LF: Well, have you done the ancient grain pasta?
[00:38:28] KM: I don't know. There is gluten free pastas that I get –
[00:38:30] LF: They’re not great. They break apart and all that. So, there's an ancient grain –
[00:38:34] KM: I’m writing this down. My coach. I told you, you can get free advice. Ancient grain.
[00:38:40] LF: So, ancient grain pastas and see if you can tolerate that better.
[00:38:44] KM: So, you're also big on hormone replacement therapy? A saliva test? Is that how you do it? How do you get that?
[00:38:51] LF: So, you can go to your health care provider and ask for a blood test just to see what your – because your insurance company will – third-party pay will come in and pay for that. But then, if you want to dig a little deeper, there are saliva testing and there is now the DUTCH test. It's the dried urine test for comprehensive hormones that you really pee on a strip four times in a day. I sent mine off last week, because I am 60. I have been doing bioidentical hormone replacement.
[00:39:17] KM: What’s the difference between that and regular hormone?
[00:39:19] LF: Drug company, synthetic. Mine’s made just like my body.
[00:39:23] KM: Does your regular doctor give you?
[00:39:25] LF: I have to go to a nurse practitioner who has this belief. Some will tell you to leave their office if you come in asking for it, which is wrong. The customer should be right as a physician. You should accommodate just as COVID was so divisive. I remember one physician saying, “I'm all for the vaccine. But if you come in here and you don't have it, that's your choice.” And that's how I wished doctors had. That's the old timey doctor who said, “Oh, that's what you've chosen. Great.”
So, with that I have looked for a provider that does bioidentical hormone replacement therapy in your – like early 40s, late 30s, there It is a woman starts going through perimenopause, where her progesterone starts to dip. You wake up at 3 AM. Progesterone is nature sedative. So, I've been taking progesterone since I was on the radio, which was mid-40s. Because even though I was getting up at 3:45, I was getting up at 2:45 or 3 with progesterone. So that, I've been doing that since mid-40s. I've done – now I do testosterone and estradiol, bio identically. It's made like my body. It's not made from horse urine, which we know Premarin and Prempro and the other things.
[00:40:33] KM: That's what I take, horse urine. Seriously, I take horse urine.
[00:40:36] LF: I’m saying, yes, you can look it up. Horse urine, yes.
[00:40:40] KM: I don’t want to run out of today’s show. I want to talk about that. Before we move on though, IV infusions. That's my new thing. I am in to IV infusion. Are you doing it too?
[00:40:47] LF: Girl, I did this week.
[00:40:48] KM: Me too.
[00:40:50] LF: I did NAD+. Have you done the NAD+?
[00:40:52] KM: Okay. We got to start hanging out together.
[00:40:53] LF: I know. We are the same person.
[00:40:56] GM: I’m going to say, “I’m surprised you don’t just see each other at the clinic all the time.”
[00:40:58] LF: I know. I did the NAD+ this week.
[00:41:00] KM: I was going to ask. I haven't done that. But I saw that and tell our listeners what NAD is.
[00:41:04] LF: So, NAD is something your body makes. It has a fancy term to it, and you lose it as you age. So, I did an infusion Monday, because I knew on Tuesday, I had TV commercials. So, I still do TV commercials for Ron Sherman out on I30. He still looks like he's 30.
[00:41:20] KM: I know.
[00:41:19] LF: I mean, amazing. So, I don't love reading a teleprompter. As you can see, I'm much more off the cuff. I'd much rather riff, right? But I have to say words, and they want me say. So, it's really hard for me to focus. So, I did my NAD+ to help give me the energy and focus I needed because I knew I wasn't going to eat before I did it, because eating makes you sleepy. It does not give you energy. So, you have the most energy in the fasted state. So, I had bag of NAD+, and she put in vitamin D, she put in B12. She put in C and glutathione. Those are things I really, really love. And it took about two hours. I had my device with me, just worked while I was there and then I woke up like this.
[00:42:02] KM: So, does the NAD have to be written by a doctor?
[00:42:05] LF: Well, it's just they have to find it and you can use injections. IM, intermuscular is an option with NAD. And you can even – I even bought a supplement of it. And so, I'm just trying to do a supplement at home.
[00:42:19] KM: People act like it's a really strong drug because they use it to help with drug addiction.
[00:42:23] LF: That's right. If you have a very high dosage of it, it does help with addiction but a lot of chemo patients. In fact, there was a chemo patient at Revive Lifestyle Medicine. She does all my hormone stuff and my IV. She was there – lady was there for three days getting eight-hour treatments for three days of NAD to help her get through the chemotherapy.
[00:42:42] KM: Wow. All right, you talked about the childhood ACE, the childhood trauma. So, what about using EMDR, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing? Do you believe in that?
[00:42:55] LF: I do. I didn't do it. But I know people – whatever gets you through your trauma. That's why my belief in a higher power has helped, having a good relationship help. I really was set up to have a broken picker like my mother. My mother was married twice. One was an addict. One was an alcoholic. One killed himself.
[00:43:15] KM: Oh, we didn't even get to that.
[00:43:17] LF: Yeah. She had a lot of bad boyfriends.
[00:43:19] KM: All right, we're getting close to the end of the show. I want to talk about podcasting. So, let's take a quick break because a lot of people are interested in podcasting. It's the new –
[00:43:29] LF: It's a great medium.
[00:43:30] KM: It's a great medium, but it's hard to make money at it.
[00:43:34] LF: I know.
[00:43:34] KM: Right? Everybody thinks, “I'm going to start a podcast. I’m going to make some dollars.”
[00:43:36] LF: No, it's a lot of work. Don't we know, Gray? We've been doing it since 2016.
[00:43:42] GM: You have, yeah.
[00:43:43] LF: You were early adopters.
[00:43:45] KM: I'm always an early adopter. I've been blogging since 2004. My blog goes back so far.
[00:43:53] LF: You’re the Moses.
[00:43:56] KM: Mama Moses.
[00:43:57] GM: The of Moses blogging.
[00:43:57] KM: Mama Moses. All right, I want to tell everybody we're talking to Miss Lisa Fischer, a certified integrative nutrition coach with a longtime career in broadcasting who today has blended her media knowledge with her wellness knowledge in a podcast called Lisa Fischer Said, and honey, she says a lot. I've watched it. It's great. She interviews great people. When we come back, we're going to talk about the business of podcasting. We'll be right back.
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[00:45:02] KM: You're listening to Up In Your Business with me, Kerry McCoy. I'm speaking today with Miss Lisa Fischer, known around the mid-south for her media chops on radio and TV. Today, she is a certified integrative nutrition health coach, not to be confused with a medical doctor.
[00:45:17] LF: That's right.
[00:45:17] KM: Because her lawyer says to say that and she's a podcaster at Lisa Fischer Said. I love the name of that, where she and her guest talk about solutions for chronic lifestyle diseases. My new catchphrase, I'm going to start using it all the time, chronic lifestyle diseases, because Lisa and I look like the picture of health. But inside, what are we doing inside?
[00:45:40] GM: Rough waters.
[00:45:42] LF: But I've righted my ship.
[00:45:45] KM: I'm about to – I am constantly trying to right my ship. So now, we're going to talk about podcasting. Podcasting is so much harder than people think. It's hard to make money. It's very time consuming.
[00:45:59] LF: Look at Darren, I just record an hour and he does all the heavy lifting.
[00:46:04] KM: That is exactly right.
[00:46:06] GM: A lot of heavy lifting.
[00:46:09] KM: Yeah, now, you say that you just do one hour, you do the research on those people. You have to have your interview questions together. But don't act like you're not over there doing that before.
[00:46:18] LF: There’s a difference in us. I learned from Larry King something that I've never forgotten. He said, never read the book before you have them on. Never do too much research or you already know something, because then you have knowledge that you think well the audience knows. So, I try – I haven't – I'm very inquisitive, so I have an interest. I use no notes, Darren can tell you. I've never had a note. I know enough about my topic, because I want to be like a child asking. I want to be new.
So, tell me about glycation. Let’s say I'm learning about glycation, which is a cellular process you don't want, or tell me about – and I know enough about it that I like to volley back and forth. But that's my personality. That's the kind of radio reporter I was, TV news reporter I was. I didn't do too much, because I assume that people at home know about what I do, and they're wondering, why didn't you ask the basic question? You don't do that.
[00:47:12] KM: No, not at all. I’m exactly the opposite.
[00:47:14] LF: Yes, you're wired differently.
[00:47:16] KM: I spent three days learning about you, listening to your podcast.
[00:47:18] LF: Oh, well, thank you.
[00:47:21] KM: I noticed that you are doing it every week.
[00:47:22] LF: I do.
[00:47:24] KM: A new person every week?
[00:47:25] LF: Every week, yeah.
[00:47:25] KM: That's tough. I guess it's not if you don't do any research. I would have to just give up my real job.
[00:47:30] LF: No, that's where you make your money.
[00:47:31] GM: Well, it fizzles out really quickly for a lot of people.
[00:47:34] LF: Yeah, it does. I think the average – Darren, didn’t we find out in the beginning, the average length of a podcast was like nine episodes and then they quit.
[00:47:41] KM: Is that right?
[00:47:41] LF: Yeah. And so, I've been doing it weekly. How many am I up to, 150? 130? 140, something? So, I do it every week faithfully and we're booked up for months and I love it.
[00:47:54] KM: One thing that I think before we wind up is you said we can turn off what you have turned on, diet controls your symptoms, lower your inflammation, food sensitivity, irritable bowel, auto immune. What is Frankenfood?
[00:48:09] LF: Frankenfoods are the ones that are highly processed, highly palatable foods that are made in a plant that your body does not recognize. What are they? Highly palatable. So, what I tell people, remember you're hormonally wired, Kerry, to eat and to stop eating. So, your hormonal wiring would tell you this baked potato is delicious with bacon and cheese and butter. You would never go back and get seconds because your hormonal wiring said, “You're full.” But you could eat, what? An entire bag of Lay's potato chips.
[00:48:40] KM: God, I could.
[00:48:41] LF: Because it doesn't signal the cholecystokinin that tells you to stop eating. Those are highly palatable foods made with industrialized seed oils that are killing you.
[00:48:50] KM: All right. If you were going to start today, it's the last thing, if you were going to start today, what would be a favorite thing or easiest thing that somebody should start with?
[00:49:02] LF: Stop eating from sun up to –
[00:49:04] KM: I knew you were going to say that. Fast.
[00:49:05] LF: Yeah. Reduce the amount of hours you put a flavor on your tongue. So, I would say, if you could go to an eating schedule of fasting for 16 hours, eating what you want in that window for eight hours, and then each week, kind of cut it back.
[00:49:21] KM: 16 hours?
[00:49:21] LF: Yeah, skipping breakfast. Just skip breakfast.
[00:49:23] KM: I always skip breakfast.
[00:49:24] LF: Then you’re a faster.
[00:49:26] KM: So, since I've been learning about you, I always thought I was – I naturally don't eat – I eat early and I naturally don't eat till 10 o'clock. That's just me. But I get up, first thing I do, is have coffee with cream and sugar in it.
[00:49:39] LF: So, you stop the fasting process.
[00:49:40] KM: I didn't know that till I watched your thing that you can't do that. And so today, the last two days, I have been having black coffee.
[00:49:47] LF: Yeah. Some people put salt in it and they whirl it up. I'm just not a coffee drinker and that cuts the bitterness. Darren, you do black coffee now, don't you? He finally takes a couple of weeks.
[00:49:56] KM: But can't you do 14 hours? So, I do 14 hours without even trying. Is that good enough?
[00:49:59] LF: That's great. That's a great start. Do you want to prevent dementia, type two diabetes and cancer?
[00:50:03] KM: Yes.
[00:50:04] LF: Then pedal to the metal.
[00:50:05] KM: Sixteen.
[00:50:07] LF: At least. I love your flags.
[00:50:09] GM: I’m seeing devils over here.
[00:50:12] KM: These are your flags. Thank you for coming on my show.
[00:50:14] LF: Thank you. Thank you. I’ll put these in my podcast now. I’ll put them in the bag.
[00:50:17] KM: That’s what I was thinking. This is New Jersey, Louisiana, and Arkansas.
[00:50:21] LF: Oh, I’m going to cry. That means so much to me.
[00:50:24] KM: You’re welcome.
[00:50:25] LF: Thank you so much.
[00:50:27] KM: Thank you. I was thinking you could put that in your podcast.
[00:50:31] LF: You take my picture.
[00:50:33] KM: So, if you're listening, I just gave Lisa a desk set for her desk. Little four by six-inch flags on a stand.
[00:50:41] LF: I love it. Thank you.
[00:50:42] KM: You’re welcome.
[00:50:42] LF: Thank for recognizing my New Orleans – my Louisiana and Jersey roots. That's what good research does. That's where I suck. I would just get the American flag and forget where they're from. But you do the research. So, I'm very proud of the hard work you do in your podcast.
[00:50:56] KM: Thank you very much. Let's stay connected and talk more.
[00:51:03] LF: Wait, one more thing. I need people to know, if you haven't seen me in person or Kerry in person, people think sometimes I'm Kerry McCoy.
[00:51:11] KM: I think that's so funny. That is such a compliment.
[00:51:13] LF: It started when Tracy Douglas, my friend, interviewed you in 2006 because she came to me and said, “I just met your twin. She uses her hands like you do. She throws her head back and laughs, snort, and her name is Kerry McCoy.” She goes, “She kind of looks like you.” And then through the years, people have said it and I told you the story, and I told Gray that I was at Me & McGee Market and this lady reached over to me and she goes, “Are you Kerry?” And I said, “No. I’m the other white girl that has loud with fair skin. It's not Renee Shapiro. I’m Lisa Fischer.” And she goes, “Dang it. I'm Susan. I was her neighbor.” Do you remember, Susan, your neighbor?
[00:51:45] KM: Yes.
[00:51:45] LF: She moved away.
[00:51:46] KM: She did?
[00:51:47] LF: Well, something. I hope she's still alive. Because that was the summer and people – have you seen people are dropping dead? That's another story.
[00:51:57] KM: That's great. All right. In closing to our listeners, thank you for spending time with us. We hope you've heard or learned something that's been inspiring or enlightening, and we know you've heard something that it's funny because Lisa is funny.
[00:52:10] LF: Because Lisa Fischer said it.
[00:52:11] KM: Because Lisa Fischer said it. And whatever it is we hope it is, we hope it will help you up your business, your independence and your life and your health. I'm Kerry McCoy and I'll see you next time on Up In Your Business. Until then, be brave and keep it up.
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[00:52:24] GM: You've been listening to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy. For links to resources you heard discussed on today's show, go to flagandbanner.com, select radio and choose today's guest. If you’d like to sponsor this show or any show, email me, gray@flagandbanner.com. All interviews are recorded and posted the following week. Stay informed with exciting, upcoming guests by subscribing to our YouTube channel or podcast, wherever you like to listen. Kerry’s goal is simple, to help you, live the American dream.
Lisa Fischer was created to communicate. From an early age at a pre-school in Roselle Park, NJ, to being suspended twice from her high school in southeast Arkansas for various talking infractions, she has always been known for her gift of gab. Obviously, a career where she can talk all day was the right choice.
